[menog] RE: [ncc-regional-middle-east] Peering
Timo Liuska
tic at isu.net.sa
Wed Aug 1 09:01:56 GMT 2007
Hi Frank & all,
Well since majority of peer-to-peer file sharing content is illegal,
it isn't that critical usually to the providers if the latency
between peers in Gulf area is little bit slow. For video conferencing
and voice chat all extra latency is of course quite a big
disadvantage, but if I understood correctly, at least UAE is blocking
VoIP services anyways. Anyways, I really hope that there will be
proper interconnectivity betweeen the countries in the area,
networking-wise it doesn't make any sense to send the traffic through
Europe.
Best regards,
Timo
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Timo Liuska <tic at isu.net.sa>
Senior Network Consultant, Nixu Middle East FZ-LLC
Network Operations Center / Internet Services Unit
King Abdulaziz City for Science & Technology
On Aug 1, 2007, at 10:29 , Frank P. Orlowski ((FPO)) wrote:
> Abeer and everyone,
>
> I see your point that from a port 80 perspective there might not be
> a lot of
> local traffic in the region – but what about file sharing ? I
> would imagine
> that Arabic content is on machines all over the middle east, right ?
>
> Shouldn’t that be a sufficient amount of traffic to justify peering
> in the
> region ? (And yes I know that fiber availability might be an issue…)
>
> Best Regards from the German Internet Exchange,
> Frank, www.de-cix.net
>
>
>
> From: menog-bounces at menog.net [mailto:menog-bounces at menog.net] On
> Behalf Of
> Abeer Kamal
> Sent: Dienstag, 31. Juli 2007 16:34
> To: 'Salman Al-Mannai'; 'Fahad AlShirawi'; 'Timo Liuska';
> menog at menog.net
> Cc: 'Kais Al-Essa'
> Subject: RE: [menog] RE: [ncc-regional-middle-east] Peering
>
> Hello Salman,
>
> I agree with you on the content part. Whether it was international
> content
> or Arabic one, there is not enough existing traffic to enable cost
> effective
> peering. I too know many International entities that are looking to
> mirror
> their content in the region (and are discouraged because of the
> extremely
> expensive International bandwidth pricing which exist at the
> moment, but I
> know for a fact, in Egypt this issue will undergo a huge reduction
> in prices
> within the next 18 – 24 months), but after doing lots of research
> on the
> Arabic content, believe it or not, there are, unfortunately unknown,
> entities. They are individual efforts done from ordinary people,
> and not
> sponsored by big companies or are getting the media attention or are
> receiving any acquisition offers even though they generate huge
> traffic. If
> we look closely we will find lots of attempts for placing content
> in Arabic
> on the web, however, we as a ME market and users are still not
> mature enough
> to accept this content, give it the same attention the
> international one is
> getting. We still lack the business environment that can
> accommodate this. I
> personally think that we will get there one day, maybe within the
> next 5
> years or so (optimistic)…
>
> --Abeer
>
> From: Salman Al-Mannai [mailto:SMANNAI at qtel.com.qa]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 3:39 PM
> To: Abeer Kamal; Fahad AlShirawi; Timo Liuska; menog at menog.net
> Cc: Kais Al-Essa
> Subject: RE: [menog] RE: [ncc-regional-middle-east] Peering
>
> Hello Everyone,
>
> May be I’m entering this discussion late, but to answer Kais
> question on
> ‘peering activities among the GCC’?
>
> - Yes, there was an attempt to progress this particular project
> under the
> umbrella of the GCC council, results; even though modest, but
> encouraging.
> Initially Qtel (Qatar) and Etisalat (UAE) then Bahrain-UAE and so on,
> however, don’t know if anyone has peered with Saudi Arabia as part
> of the
> scope.
> - The initial proposal, as put together by Saleem (hope he is on this
> mailing list) suggested two options: Centralized Model and
> Distributed or
> Bilateral, the above was according to the later.
> - On the centralized model, the obvious locations for an IX are:
> Dubai-UAE
> and Jeddah-KSA primarily due to the global FO availability.
>
> On the other parts of the discussion:
>
> Unless enough contents are exchanged, the peering (via an IX –
> preferably)
> will not be cost effective, where I feel efforts will have to be
> exerted in
> order to attract major contents providers to be around, I know for
> sure some
> are already looking for an opportunity to mirror their contents in the
> region.
>
> One more note; Abeers announcement is a great one, thank you Abeer,
> this is
> in-line with one of the proposals that was put forward during Menog-1,
> whereby not just one but multiple exchange points are set-up which
> jointly
> form a middle-east wide Internet Backbone.
>
> Regards
>
>
>
>
> From: menog-bounces at menog.net [mailto:menog-bounces at menog.net] On
> Behalf Of
> Abeer Kamal
> Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 1:18 PM
> To: 'Fahad AlShirawi'; 'Timo Liuska'; menog at menog.net
> Cc: 'Kais Al-Essa'
> Subject: RE: [menog] RE: [ncc-regional-middle-east] Peering
>
> HI All,
> Just a quick note, GPX Global systems Inc – Egypt headquarters had
> already
> launched its Middle East Internet eXchange point in Cairo Egypt. At
> the
> moment we are contemplating establishing another IXP in a gulf
> country.
> Still, we are in the process of gathering country information,
> however, if
> things go according to plan, we should be able to establish, deploy
> and
> become operational within in the 18 months. We have all the local
> ISPs in
> Egypt already present in our facility, and are perusing peering
> agreements
> with MENA ISPs. I will keep you all posted on how things develop.
>
> On another note, it was great to have met all you guys in MENOG 1 and
> looking forward to our second meeting in Qatar!
>
> Regards,
> Abeer Kamal | Business Development & Marketing Manager
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> From: menog-bounces at menog.net [mailto:menog-bounces at menog.net] On
> Behalf Of
> Fahad AlShirawi
> Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 12:47 PM
> To: 'Timo Liuska'; menog at menog.net
> Cc: 'Kais Al-Essa'
> Subject: [menog] RE: [ncc-regional-middle-east] Peering
>
> Ah! I should have read on…. Okay this is interesting and I didn’t
> know about
> it. What exactly is STC doing with MEIX other than selling transit
> to GCC
> countries and Saudi ISPs? By default once they have GCC countries,
> they have
> them peered anyway.
>
> Also, that’s the one in partnership with Teleglobe right? How come
> they
> don’t have enough capacity? In what regards? STC is trying to offload
> capacity so that’s strange.
>
>
> Fahad.
>
>
> From: ncc-regional-middle-east-admin at ripe.net
> [mailto:ncc-regional-middle-east-admin at ripe.net] On Behalf Of Timo
> Liuska
> Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 11:36 AM
> To: ncc-regional-middle-east at ripe.net
> Cc: Kais Al-Essa; Osama Dosary ((dosary))
> Subject: Re: [ncc-regional-middle-east] Peering
>
> Hi again,
>
> My answer wasn't particularly clear, thanks for correcting Mr.
> Osama. My
> earlier response was about the plans for national IX here in KSA.
> STC has
> indeed the MEIX -project, but at least so far they haven't been
> able to
> provide enough capacity there to make it useful, so at least ISU is
> not
> peering over that link currently at all.
>
> Best regards,
> Timo
>
> --
> Timo Liuska <tic at isu.net.sa>
> Senior Network Consultant, Nixu Middle East FZ-LLC
> Network Operations Center / Internet Services Unit
> King Abdulaziz City for Science & Technology
>
>
> On Jul 31, 2007, at 11:15 , Osama Dosary ((dosary)) wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> I used to work in the Internet arm of STC, and as far as I know STC
> doesn't
> have any plans to peer with gulf ISPs. They have already setup what
> they
> call "Saudi Internet Exchange", but they are really selling transit
> traffic
> to the middle-east. I believe that most of the gulf is now connected.
> With regards to CITC, their plans don't include Gulf peering,
> especially
> when that means that the content control for Saudi Arabia will be
> bypassed.
>
> Since the ISU function (as an International Gateway for Saudi) has
> now been
> integrated into STC, the doors are now open for the two new
> competitors to
> do International peering (ITC and Bayanat,) so they could
> potentially peer
> with the gulf.
>
> Does that answer your question?
>
> Regards,
> Osama I. Al-Dosary
>
>
> ________________________________________
> From: ncc-regional-middle-east-admin at ripe.net
> [mailto:ncc-regional-middle-east-admin at ripe.net] On Behalf Of Timo
> Liuska
> Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 9:14 AM
> To: ncc-regional-middle-east at ripe.net
> Cc: Kais Al-Essa
> Subject: Re: [ncc-regional-middle-east] Peering
> Hi,
>
> There has been indeed discussions about building a local internet
> exchange
> ever since the local ISP's could select where to get their
> international
> capacity (around last Ramadan). Before that, KACST/ISU was effectively
> acting as an internet exchange in Riyadh and Jeddah. As far as I
> know, CITC
> is one of the key parties in the decision process who is going to
> build it
> and when. So far I haven't seen any final decisions about it, but
> hopefully
> they'll get the decision done quickly.
>
>
> Best regards,
> Timo
>
> --
> Timo Liuska <tic at isu.net.sa>
> Senior Network Consultant, Nixu Middle East FZ-LLC
> Network Operations Center / Internet Services Unit
> King Abdulaziz City for Science & Technology
>
>
>
> On Jul 26, 2007, at 21:26 , Kais Al-Essa wrote:
>
> Hello all,
> It was interesting to attend the 1st MENOG meeting in Bahrain. I'm
> looking
> forward to such annual meetings.
> One of the interesting topics for me as an ISP Technical Manager is
> Peering
> Points.
> During the meeting, I didn't see any single initiative about a peering
> project in the Gulf. However, I've heared about some attempts or
> projects,
> but was unable to get anything solid.
> Therefore, I'm sending this e-mail to the group in order to enquire if
> anyone knows for sure about any peering activities between Gulf
> Countries
> for Internet traffic and if there is anything going on with Saudi
> Arabia in
> particular. I personally heared that STC is working on something
> soon, but
> again, nothing was solid and I was unable to obtain clear information.
> Regards..
> Kais Al-Essa, Founder and Operations & Technical Services Manager
> Sahara Net
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