[menog] [Summary] U.S. To TransferKeyInternetStewardshiptoGlobal Community

Andreas Hipp A.Hipp at epsilontel.com
Tue Mar 18 15:33:49 UTC 2014

Dear Mehmet,

Interesting conversation! Like with many things in live "the obvious is not the reality" and for any global initiative there has to be balance between the stakeholders. As much as one country might have funded something or progressed something the question of motive, interest and benefit has to be asked.
The country you refer to is not known for selfless actions – at all - maybe the opposite. The country teaching the rest of the world about democracy is probable one of the least democratic ones.

Think about it and turn the TV off – its manipulated like many other things.



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From: Mehmet Akcin <mehmet at akcin.net<mailto:mehmet at akcin.net>>
Date: Tuesday, 18 March 2014 22:17
To: Sezen YEŞİL <syesil at btk.gov.tr<mailto:syesil at btk.gov.tr>>
Cc: "K Fattal, MLi Group Chairman" <Chairman at MLiGrp.com<mailto:Chairman at MLiGrp.com>>, MENOG <menog at menog.net<mailto:menog at menog.net>>
Subject: Re: [menog] [Summary] U.S. To TransferKeyInternetStewardshiptoGlobal Community

You shouldn't blame a country for trying to make sure it's assuring operations of a technology they funded to invent and help grow more than any other nation.

Especially if that country now sees an opportunity to hand over this responsibility to a transparent international organization


On Mar 18, 2014, at 7:19, Sezen YEŞİL <syesil at btk.gov.tr<mailto:syesil at btk.gov.tr>> wrote:

Dear all,
Internet governance is not an issue to be settled here, if it was so, there would be no need for WSIS, WGIG, IGFs, etc.
I think that we all want an open and free Internet governed in a multistakeholder environment (which needs to be developed more).
What I said was that US government dominance over ICANN was and is a fact because of the contracts in place.
ICANN can use such criticisms to strengten its position against US goverment while struggling for its independence (and even when they come from people who were not able to participate in ICANN’s meetings which take place around the world- OMG how much money would that be? And how fluent your English needs to be ☺ )

This is my last e-mail, I really do not see an issue to be flamed here.

Dear Khaled, your article was really good, thank you for posting it.
Dear Fahd, thank you for sharing news here, please go on.

All the best,
See you in IGF in Istanbul

From: K Fattal, MLi Group Chairman [mailto:Chairman at MLiGrp.com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2014 11:18 AM
To: 'Fahd Batayneh'; Sezen YEŞİL
Subject: RE: [menog] [Summary] U.S. To Transfer KeyInternetStewardshiptoGlobal Community

Dear Fahd and Sezen, and colleagues

Fahd, well explained and well done by explaining with and without your ICANN had. Very professionally and intelligently done.

Sezen, perhaps if you read  this public post Is NTIA's Transition Decision the Right Dose of Chemotherapy to Repair Trust in Multistakeholderism?<http://www.circleid.com/posts/20140317_is_ntias_transition_decision_right_doze_of_chemotherapy_to_repair/> It may give you another take and perspective on the NTIA’s intent, challenges facing ICANN, and the  ramifications of all this by someone who has participated in more than 40+ ICANN meetings, Sits on Advisory committees to the ICANN presidents current and past for years, and attended and participated directly in the WSIS 2001 – 2005 and all WGIG and IGFs.

I will add to what Fahd said very well, this is not just about ICANN or US government, it is about local citizens being empowered to step up and champion the Needs and Aspirations  of their own people and communities, while putting their people and communities first and above their own self interest - Not easy, but when they can, they will be undefeatable. And if that means challenging ICANN to do better and more, so be it, this is what Fadi is asking for. Food for thought.



Khaled Fattal | Group Chairman
The Multilingual Internet Group
Serving & Linking The Current & Next Billion+ Multilingual Internet Users
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From:menog-bounces at lists.menog.org<mailto:menog-bounces at lists.menog.org> [mailto:menog-bounces at lists.menog.org] On Behalf Of Fahd Batayneh
Sent: Monday, March 17, 2014 5:34 PM
To: Sezen YEŞİL
Cc: MENOG (menog at menog.net<mailto:menog at menog.net>)
Subject: Re: [menog] [Summary] U.S. To Transfer KeyInternetStewardshiptoGlobal Community

I am not in disagreement with you Sezen, but we believe in two different approaches.

Anyways, as you said, this was the past.  And as Winston Churchill said “Learn from the past to see the future”.


From: Sezen YEŞİL [mailto:syesil at btk.gov.tr]
Sent: Monday, March 17, 2014 3:43 PM
To: Fahd Batayneh
Cc: MENOG (menog at menog.net<mailto:menog at menog.net>)
Subject: RE: [menog] [Summary] U.S. To Transfer KeyInternetStewardshiptoGlobal Community

Dear Fahd,
Thank you for explaining your observations, unfortunately I do not have enough resources to make such observations.
But I have internet access to ICANN’s and IANA’s web pages;

-          http://www.iana.org/help/cctld-delegation: The U.S. Department of Commerce, as the Root Zone Administrator, is responsible for verifying that processing procedures have been followed, and authorising any related changes to the DNS root zone and root zone database.

-          http://www.icann.org/en/about/agreements : US government is the contractor.
So no matter how many people from the community worked hard, the final word always belongs the US government. I meant this fact by the term ‘fact’.

But, “all these years” were past and the Community is about to change these. Then, biggest applauses and many thanks go to these folks.
All the best

From: Fahd Batayneh [mailto:fahd.batayneh at icann.org]
Sent: Monday, March 17, 2014 1:40 PM
To: Sezen YEŞİL
Cc: MENOG (menog at menog.net<mailto:menog at menog.net>)
Subject: RE: [menog] [Summary] U.S. To Transfer Key InternetStewardshiptoGlobal Community

Hi Sezen,

Thank you for your email.

On the term of “Perception”, I used it to mean “observation” ☺.

Nevertheless, removing my ICANN hat (which I have been wearing for almost 6 months now) and wearing my old community hat ( which I wore for around 5 years prior to joining ICANN), I can tell you that folks from our region have barely been part of the ICANN process. While attending ICANN meetings, you come across the same old faces from the region, and when participating in the proceedings of working groups, you will find the same usual names, too. A handful of folks from the region cannot initiate a change, but 10s or even 100s of active members can.

If we want to make this transition as satisfactory as possible, everyone has to play their role. One hand cannot clap, but two hands can.

Hope that helps.

Fahd Batayneh
Speaking at a personal capacity

From:menog-bounces at lists.menog.org<mailto:menog-bounces at lists.menog.org> [mailto:menog-bounces at lists.menog.org] On Behalf Of Sezen YESIL
Sent: Monday, March 17, 2014 11:21 AM
To: MENOG (menog at menog.net<mailto:menog at menog.net>)
Subject: Re: [menog] [Summary] U.S. To Transfer Key Internet StewardshiptoGlobal Community

Dear Fahd,
Thank you very much for your e-mail.
We all have to play our roles, that is undestandable.
But, after all these years’ performance (evidences are many, we all know them), how can one refer to a “fact” as a “perception”, sorry but that is not understandable at least to me.
Nevertheless, applauses go to NTIA for the announcement.
All the best,

From:menog-bounces at lists.menog.org<mailto:menog-bounces at lists.menog.org> [mailto:menog-bounces at lists.menog.org] On Behalf Of Fahd Batayneh
Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2014 8:35 PM
To: MENOG (menog at menog.net<mailto:menog at menog.net>)
Subject: [menog] [Summary] U.S. To Transfer Key Internet Stewardship toGlobal Community

(sorry for cross posting)

Friends and Colleagues,

As there has been lots of news circulated on the U.S. Transfer of Key Internet Stewardship to Global Community, the following is a one-stop email for what has been released so far:

·         NTIA Announcement -- http://www.ntia.doc.gov/press-release/2014/ntia-announces-intent-transition-key-internet-domain-name-functions

·         ICANN Announcement -- http://www.icann.org/en/news/announcements/announcement-14mar14-en.htm

·         Reaction of Internet Technical Leaders -- http://www.icann.org/en/news/announcements/announcement-2-14mar14-en.htm

·         Reaction of ICANN’s BoD Chair (Video) -- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCvtvVZyjLA&feature=youtu.be

·         Reaction of ICANN’s President and CEO (Video) -- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xg_LD0C6ZiI&feature=youtu.be

·         FAQ Sheet on the Process -- http://www.icann.org/en/about/agreements/iana/functions-transfer-faqs-14mar14-en.pdf

·         Public Consultation Process -- http://www.icann.org/en/about/agreements/iana/functions-transfer-process-14mar14-en.pdf

As many have viewed ICANN and IANA to be US centric all these years, the time has come to change this perception by jumping on-board and engaging in the discussions. If we are to strengthen our regional  Internet Governance ecosystem and domain name industry, we have to all join the discussions.

Thank you,

Fahd Batayneh
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