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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Ah! I should have read on…. Okay this is interesting and I didn’t
know about it. What exactly is STC doing with MEIX other than selling transit
to GCC countries and Saudi ISPs? By default once they have GCC countries, they
have them peered anyway.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Also, that’s the one in partnership with Teleglobe right? How
come they don’t have enough capacity? In what regards? STC is trying to offload
capacity so that’s strange.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'>Fahad.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> ncc-regional-middle-east-admin@ripe.net
[mailto:ncc-regional-middle-east-admin@ripe.net] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Timo
Liuska<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, July 31, 2007 11:36 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> ncc-regional-middle-east@ripe.net<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Kais Al-Essa; Osama Dosary ((dosary))<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [ncc-regional-middle-east] Peering<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Hi again,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>My answer wasn't particularly clear, thanks for correcting
Mr. Osama. My earlier response was about the plans for national IX here in KSA.
STC has indeed the MEIX -project, but at least so far they haven't been able to
provide enough capacity there to make it useful, so at least ISU is not peering
over that link currently at all. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Best regards,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Timo<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black'>Timo Liuska <<a href="mailto:tic@isu.net.sa">tic@isu.net.sa</a>><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black'>Senior Network Consultant, Nixu Middle East FZ-LLC<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>On Jul 31, 2007, at 11:15 , Osama Dosary ((dosary)) wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";
color:blue'>I used to work in the Internet arm of STC, and as far as I know STC
doesn't have any plans to peer with gulf ISPs. They have already setup what
they call "Saudi Internet Exchange", but they are really selling
transit traffic to the middle-east. I believe that most of the gulf is now
connected. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";
color:blue'>With regards to CITC, their plans don't include Gulf peering,
especially when that means that the content control for Saudi Arabia will be
bypassed.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";
color:blue'>Since the ISU function (as an International Gateway for Saudi)
has now been integrated into STC, the doors are now open for the two new
competitors to do International peering (ITC and Bayanat,) so they could
potentially peer with the gulf.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";
color:blue'>Does that answer your question?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><em><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Regards,</span></b></em><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><em><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Osama
I. Al-Dosary</span></b></em><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> ncc-regional-middle-east-admin@ripe.net [<a
href="mailto:ncc-regional-middle-east-admin@ripe.net">mailto:ncc-regional-middle-east-admin@ripe.net</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Timo Liuska<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, July 31, 2007 9:14 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:ncc-regional-middle-east@ripe.net">ncc-regional-middle-east@ripe.net</a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Kais Al-Essa<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [ncc-regional-middle-east] Peering</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal>Hi, <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>There has been indeed discussions about building a local
internet exchange ever since the local ISP's could select where to get their
international capacity (around last Ramadan). Before that, KACST/ISU was
effectively acting as an internet exchange in Riyadh and Jeddah. As far as I
know, CITC is one of the key parties in the decision process who is going to
build it and when. So far I haven't seen any final decisions about it, but
hopefully they'll get the decision done quickly.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Best regards,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Timo<o:p></o:p></p>
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color:black'>Timo Liuska <<a href="mailto:tic@isu.net.sa">tic@isu.net.sa</a>><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:black'>Senior Network Consultant, Nixu Middle East FZ-LLC<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>On Jul 26, 2007, at 21:26 , Kais Al-Essa wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoPlainText><a name="_MailEndCompose"><span class=apple-style-span><span
style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black'>Hello all,</span></span></a><span
style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><span class=apple-style-span><span style='font-size:10.5pt;
font-family:Consolas;color:black'>It was interesting to attend the 1st MENOG
meeting in Bahrain. I'm looking forward to such annual meetings.</span></span><span
style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><span class=apple-style-span><span style='font-size:10.5pt;
font-family:Consolas;color:black'>One of the interesting topics for me as an
ISP Technical Manager is Peering Points.</span></span><span style='font-size:
10.5pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><span class=apple-style-span><span style='font-size:10.5pt;
font-family:Consolas;color:black'>During the meeting, I didn't see any single
initiative about a peering project in the Gulf. However, I've heared about some
attempts or projects, but was unable to get anything solid.</span></span><span
style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><span class=apple-style-span><span style='font-size:10.5pt;
font-family:Consolas;color:black'>Therefore, I'm sending this e-mail to the
group in order to enquire if anyone knows for sure about any peering activities
between Gulf Countries for Internet traffic and if there is anything going on
with Saudi Arabia in particular. I personally heared that STC is working on
something soon, but again, nothing was solid and I was unable to obtain clear
information.</span></span><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas;
color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><span class=apple-style-span><span style='font-size:10.5pt;
font-family:Consolas;color:black'>Regards..</span></span><span
style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><span class=apple-style-span><span style='font-size:10.5pt;
font-family:Consolas;color:black'>Kais Al-Essa, Founder and Operations &
Technical Services Manager</span></span><span style='font-size:10.5pt;
font-family:Consolas;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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