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Salman,</p>
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<p style="margin-bottom: 0cm; margin-top: 0pt; direction: ltr;">Thanks
for your elaborate information on the locations, good information
indeed.</p>
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are NOT reconsidering MENOG9 location. It is OMAN for sure. The
agreement with the HOST is done already.</p>
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<p style="margin-bottom: 0cm; margin-top: 0pt; direction: ltr;">We
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they might want to see us go to next. We already have an excellent
plan for locations we simply had a problem with MENOG8 being in
Syria for the known reasons. Thats all!</p>
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<p style="margin-bottom: 0cm; margin-top: 0pt; direction: ltr;">So
to clarify, MENOG has been sailing quite nicely and smoothly over
the past few years, thanks for the support of the community such
as yourself and many others who offered to either host or sponsor
MENOG. We have not had any issues in the past.</p>
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<p style="margin-bottom: 0cm; margin-top: 0pt; direction: ltr;">Once
again, we were simply getting community feedback on locations ..
that should help us provide more convenient locations in the
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On 5/25/2011 10:40 PM, Salman Al-Mannai wrote:<br>
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<div>Hi,</div>
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<div>I don't know if I should consider myself a contributor or
intruder :) it has been a long time. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I see you guys reconsidering MENOG-9 location!!!</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I see the search for a place is becoming a matter of live or
die for the MENOG!, a situation that I'm not at all happy to
see, there are quite few places in the Middle East that are
still </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Countries to avoid: Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq, Israel,
Pakistan, Syria and Yemen</div>
<div>Countries hosted MENOG in the past: Bahrain, Kuwait, Lebanon,
Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Turkey and UAE.</div>
<div>Countries require visa (Complex): <font
class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">Kyrgyzstan, </font>Tajikistan, <font
class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">Turkmenistan and </font><font
class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">Uzbekistan (former
Soviet Union).</font></div>
<div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">Potential
Countries with simplified Visa requirement: Egypt, Jordan and
Oman.</font></div>
<div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><br>
</font></div>
<div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">We might as
well look at the greater Middle East and consider; Algeria,
Cyprus, Djibouti, Libya, Morocco, Somalia, Sudan and Tunisia
(part of AfriNIC territories).</font></div>
<div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><br>
</font></div>
<div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">Algeria,
Djibouti, Libya, Somalia and Sudan :( are not the place for
anyone to be at, unless you wear a bullet proof vest :) which
leaves Tunisia, true the situation is not pleasant at the
moment but it is improving at faster rate than expected, and
if the election is a success by July then the situation will
be very attractive, primarily due to the following:</font></div>
<div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><br>
</font></div>
<div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">1. The country
is highly affordable (hotels cost from 100-150 euro on the
average).</font></div>
<div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">2. There are 3
operating telecom providers.</font></div>
<div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">3. Can also be
blessed by the AICTO (Arab ICT Organization).</font></div>
<div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">4. Highly
accessible by all middle east countries (Visas are not
required for most countries, for those who require a visa it
is very simple).</font></div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>What remain is the 'territory' issue, which in my opinion can
be solved if RIPE and AfriNIC hold a joined regional meeting.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Next, of course, is Egypt, the political situation is still
moderate, but if Cairo is avoided (perhaps we should consider
Sharm-El-Sheikh or Alexandria) for better security it might be
attractive.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Morocco is way too far for some participants otherwise has
high potential.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>In short the places to be considered (order of listing
matters): 1. Jordan, 2. Oman, 3. Tunisia, 4. Egypt, 5. Morocco.</div>
<div><br>
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<div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><br>
</font></div>
<div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><br>
</font></div>
<div>Best Regards</div>
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<div>On May 25, 2011, at 6:59 PM, Nasser Farhan wrote:</div>
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<div><strong><font size="2" color="#008080" face="Calibri">Hi
all,</font></strong></div>
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<div><strong><font size="2" color="#008080" face="Calibri">Egypt,
Jordan, Lebanon, Syria are open to all Arab
Nationalities. Also Turkey(no visas required for
Jordanians), UAE are also easy and has no
complications( you get it with the ticket). Saudi,
Qatar, Kuwait and Oman are quite complex (yet
obtainable). </font></strong></div>
<div><strong></strong> </div>
<div><strong><font size="2" color="#008080" face="Calibri">I
suggest we hold it in Egypt next time as it does not
require a visa to enter.</font></strong></div>
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<div><strong><font size="2" color="#008080" face="Calibri">Regards,</font></strong></div>
<div><strong><font size="2" color="#008080" face="Calibri">Nasser</font></strong></div>
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<div style="font: 10pt arial;"><b>To:</b> <a
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'menog@menog. net'</a> </div>
<div style="font: 10pt arial;"><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, May
25, 2011 8:08 AM</div>
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MENOG 8: Thank you</div>
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<div><font face="Calibri">Egypt is easier on visas than
many others in the region, plus you have good
locations like Alexandria, Luxor, Sharm El Sheikh,
Cairo, etc.</font></div>
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<div><font face="Calibri">Jordan and Lebanon are
also quite open with inter-Arab visa needs, and can
grant on the spot visas at airports for many
nationalities.
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<div><font face="Calibri">-Ahmed</font></div>
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<div style=""><b>From:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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Hani Abuelkhair</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, May 24, 2011 10:24 PM</div>
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<div>Turkey is one of the best locations<br>
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<div>Hani Abuelkhair</div>
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On May 24, 2011, at 21:27, Kais Al-Essa <<a
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<div style="margin-top: 0pt; direction: ltr;
margin-bottom: 0cm;">Thanks for your suggestion. We
try to balance between two main things:</div>
<div style="margin-top: 0pt; direction: ltr;
margin-bottom: 0cm;">- Being in an easy country is
good as it will allow more people to attend the
meeting from around the globe.</div>
<div style="margin-top: 0pt; direction: ltr;
margin-bottom: 0cm;">- However, we have an
obligation to try to visit as many countries as
possible.</div>
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<div style="margin-top: 0pt; direction: ltr;
margin-bottom: 0cm;">For Saudi Arabia, Visas are
possible and when we did MENOG6 in Riyadh, we had an
excellent show of visitors who managed to get their
Visa on time. Note that you just need to plan
earlier.</div>
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<div style="margin-top: 0pt; direction: ltr;
margin-bottom: 0cm;">Having said the above, we would
like to hear your ideas on alternative locations.
Our next meeting is planned for Muscat, Oman.</div>
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<div><strong><font size="2" color="#008080"
face="Calibri">Can I kindly suggest that these
conferences to be held in a visa neutral
countries, where visas are not needed or can
be easily and rapidly obtained.
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<div><strong><font size="2" color="#008080"
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Osama I. Al-Dosary</a> </div>
<div style="font: 10pt arial;"><b>To:</b> <a
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<div style="font: 10pt arial;"><b>Sent:</b>
Monday, May 23, 2011 7:21 PM</div>
<div style="font: 10pt arial;"><b>Subject:</b>
[menog] MENOG 8: Thank you</div>
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Salaam MENOG Community,<br>
<br>
On behalf of the MENOG Coordination Team, I would
like to thank you for <br>
helping to make the MENOG 8/RIPE NCC Regional
Meeting in Al-Khobar, <br>
Saudi Arabia such a success. Special thanks goes
to those who to jump <br>
through visa hoops to join us.<br>
<br>
MENOG 8 included one day of plenary conference
incorporating the RIPE <br>
NCC Regional Meeting and four days of hands-on
technical workshops.<br>
<br>
The event as a whole received lots of positive and
appreciative feedback.<br>
<br>
The meeting was well attended by participants from
seven different <br>
countries. A list of attendees is posted at:<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://menog.net/meetings/menog8/attendee-list">http://menog.net/meetings/menog8/attendee-list</a><br>
<br>
All presentations are available at:<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://menog.net/meetings/menog8/presentations">http://menog.net/meetings/menog8/presentations</a><br>
<br>
An overview of sponsors is posted at:<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://menog.net/meetings/menog8">http://menog.net/meetings/menog8</a><br>
<br>
Thanks once again on behalf of the MENOG
Coordination Team.<br>
We hope that you will also attend MENOG 9 which
will be held in Muscat, <br>
Oman in quarter 3, 2011<br>
<br>
Kind regards,<br>
Osama I. Al-Dosary<br>
On behalf of the MENOG Coordination Team<br>
<br>
Kais Al-Essa, Sultan AlShamsi, Sandra Gijzen,
Gaurab Raj Upadhaya, Paul<br>
Rendek, Philip Smith<br>
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