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<DIV align=left><FONT face=Calibri>I agree with Kais that Sahara Net has shown
clear leadership in the IPv6 field in the Gulf ISP market</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV align=left><FONT face=Calibri>BTW, to avoid replacing existing IPv4 CPEs
there are "IPV6 Adapters" that plug into existing IPv4 CPEs (ADSL modems, home
routers, etc) to enable IPv6 at the home from the ISPs own IPv6 reserved
prefix</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV align=left><FONT face=Calibri>See the ARIN IPv6 CPE information page under
Adapters , <A
title="http://www.getipv6.info/index.php/Broadband_CPE CTRL + Click to follow link"
href="http://www.getipv6.info/index.php/Broadband_CPE">http://www.getipv6.info/index.php/Broadband_CPE</A> <BR> </FONT></DIV>
<DIV align=left><FONT face=Calibri>Ahmed<BR></DIV></FONT>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A
title="mailto:operations@sahara.com.sa CTRL + Click to follow link"
href="mailto:operations@sahara.com.sa">Kais Al-Essa</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Monday, June 13, 2011 10:23 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=menog@menog.net
href="mailto:menog@menog.net">menog@menog.net</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [menog] Rapid IPv6 deployment for World IPv6
Day</DIV></DIV>
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<P style="MARGIN-TOP: 0pt; DIRECTION: ltr; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0cm">Dears,</P>
<P style="MARGIN-TOP: 0pt; DIRECTION: ltr; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0cm"><BR></P>
<P style="MARGIN-TOP: 0pt; DIRECTION: ltr; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0cm">Sahara Net is the
1st ISP in Saudi Arabia and the Gulf region to provide a dual stacked ISP
service on its Core.</P>
<P style="MARGIN-TOP: 0pt; DIRECTION: ltr; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0cm">A few months back
we launched a project to connect selected Business clients with dual stack. This
has succeeded so far but the demand is a bit lower than expectations.</P>
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<P style="MARGIN-TOP: 0pt; DIRECTION: ltr; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0cm">We are now ready
to provide dual stack to end users (residential) but lack two things:</P>
<P style="MARGIN-TOP: 0pt; DIRECTION: ltr; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0cm">1. User demand:
Users simply don't see the benefits for this yet!</P>
<P style="MARGIN-TOP: 0pt; DIRECTION: ltr; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0cm">2. CPE
availability: Still many CPEs that are popular in the region are not IPv6/dual
stack ready!</P>
<P style="MARGIN-TOP: 0pt; DIRECTION: ltr; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0cm"><BR></P>
<P style="MARGIN-TOP: 0pt; DIRECTION: ltr; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0cm">Regards..<BR></P>
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vAlign=top width=302>إن هذا البريد الإلكتروني المرسل من قبل صحارى نت يحتوي
على محتويات سرية مرسلة إلى جهة/ متلقٍ مقصود. إذا لم تكن أنت المتلقي
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منعا باتا أي استخدام أو إعادة إرسال أو نشر أو طباعة أونسخ كل أو جزء من هذا
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الخاصة بكم. وعلى الرغم من أن هذا البريد الإلكتروني تم فحصه وتمحيصه بحثا عن
الفيروسات، إلا أن صحارى نت لا تتحمل أي مسؤولية عن أية فيروسات قد تصيب
أجهزتكم وأنظمتكم، بل إن التأكد من حماية أجهزتكم وأنظمتكم هو محض
مسؤوليتكم.</TD>
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<P style="MARGIN-TOP: 0pt; DIRECTION: ltr; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0cm"><BR>On 6/13/2011
9:57 AM, Ahmed Abu-Abed wrote:<BR></P>
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<DIV><FONT face=Calibri>Hi Gaurab,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Calibri>I know that many regional ISPs started the effort
towards dual-stacking their core, and a few have reached this target, but
I am yet to see an advertised IPv6 access service to residential users.
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<DIV><FONT face=Calibri>Regards,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Calibri>-Ahmed</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><B>From:</B> <A title=gaurab@lahai.com href="mailto:gaurab@lahai.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">Gaurab Raj Upadhaya</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, June 11, 2011 9:55 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=ahmed@tamkien.com href="mailto:ahmed@tamkien.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">Ahmed Abu-Abed</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Cc:</B> <A title=menog@menog.net href="mailto:menog@menog.net"
moz-do-not-send="true">menog@menog.net</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [menog] Rapid IPv6 deployment for World IPv6
Day</DIV></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----<BR>Hash: SHA1<BR><BR>Hi
Ahmed,<BR><BR>Well, to end-users (either residential or business users).
Not at an<BR>ISP-ISP level.<BR><BR>- -gaurab<BR><BR><BR>On 6/11/11 7:27 AM,
Ahmed Abu-Abed wrote:<BR>> Hi Gaurab,<BR>> <BR>> By v6 to
end-users, do you mean residential users ?<BR>> <BR>>
Regards,<BR>> -Ahmed<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> *From:*
Gaurab Raj Upadhaya <<A href="mailto:gaurab@lahai.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">mailto:gaurab@lahai.com</A>><BR>> *Sent:*
Saturday, June 11, 2011 8:21 AM<BR>> *To:* <A href="mailto:menog@menog.net"
moz-do-not-send="true">menog@menog.net</A> <<A
href="mailto:menog@menog.net"
moz-do-not-send="true">mailto:menog@menog.net</A>><BR>> *Subject:* Re:
[menog] Rapid IPv6 deployment for World IPv6 Day<BR>> <BR>> Hi Ahmed,
others,<BR>> <BR>> Do we have any ISPs/ Carriers in the ME region that
provide v6 to<BR>> end-users (either as Tunnels, or native ).<BR>>
<BR>> thanks<BR>> -gaurab<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> On 6/9/11 1:41 PM,
Ahmed Abu-Abed wrote:<BR>>> My comments below with a minor correction in
the 1st comment.<BR>> <BR>>> -Ahmed<BR>> <BR>> <BR>>>
*From:* Brian Candler <<A href="mailto:B.Candler@pobox.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">mailto:B.Candler@pobox.com</A>><BR>>> *Sent:*
Thursday, June 09, 2011 12:54 PM<BR>>> *To:* Ahmed Abu-Abed <<A
href="mailto:ahmed@tamkien.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">mailto:ahmed@tamkien.com</A>><BR>>> *Cc:* <A
href="mailto:%27menog@menog" moz-do-not-send="true">'menog@menog</A> <<A
href="mailto:%27menog@menog"
moz-do-not-send="true">mailto:'menog@menog</A>>. net' <<A
href="mailto:%27menog@menog" moz-do-not-send="true">mailto:'menog@menog</A>.
net'><BR>>> *Subject:* Re: [menog] Rapid IPv6 deployment for World
IPv6 Day<BR>> <BR>>> On Thu, Jun 09, 2011 at 10:51:26AM +0300, Ahmed
Abu-Abed wrote:<BR>>>> >> Until the whole
internet AND web content AND networks AND<BR>>>>
applications move to IPv6 ONLY then there will be a need for<BR>>
tunneling.<BR>>>> Dual-stacking is needed but it
doesn't solve the IPv4 depletion issue,<BR>> <BR>>> But client-side
tunnelling relies on having an IPv4 address too, so it<BR>>> doesn't
solve depletion.<BR>>> />> It may not solve depletion but
tunneling accelerates IPv6<BR>>> adoption, while "carrier grade" tunnels
present a more stable approach<BR>>> than multi-level NATs. Future
networks will likely be IPv6-only except<BR>>> for the dual-stack hosts
that tunnel IPv4-in-IPv6 , a reverse of today's<BR>>> tunnels. Refer to
the DS-Lite standards among others, and this approach<BR>>> is part of
the 3GPP/LTE standards for mobile networks migration to IPv6./<BR>>>
//<BR>>> Estimates I've seen so far from IPv6 day suggest that although
traffic was<BR>>> up, V6 accounted for between 0.02% and 0.3% of total
traffic. Of<BR>> that, 90%<BR>>> was tunnelled (i.e. only 10%
native). So basically: (1) there is no<BR>>> signficiant IPv6
Internet today, and (2) if you want to join what<BR>> there is,<BR>>>
you do indeed probably have to tunnel.<BR>>> />> Tunnels solve the
chicken and egg problem, it allows IPv6 content to<BR>>> be accessible
until IPv6 gains a wider installed base which may take<BR>>> years.
During the same time the burden of running IPv4 with no public<BR>>>
addresses will grow. Both RIPE NCC and ARIN have publicly endorsed<BR>>>
tunneling to speed up IPv6 deployment./<BR>> <BR>>> That doesn't mean
that installing a tunnel client is a good idea for<BR>> anyone<BR>>>
except network specialists who know what they're doing.<BR>>> />>
Protocols that automate the setup of carrier grade tunnels, such
as<BR>>> TSP, make installing tunnels a plug and play affair. Refer to
my<BR>>> original email and try it to see for yourself. For zero
user<BR>>> intervention needs, there are CPE IPv6 Adapters that plug in
an ethernet<BR>>> port on an IPv4 home router and automatically setup
IPv6-in-IPv4 tunnels<BR>>> (see the ARIN Wiki on IPv6 CPEs). All these
are carrier grade solutions<BR>>> and have been deployed by tier-1
carriers./<BR>> <BR>>> If random end-users start installing this
stuff without understanding it,<BR>>> then (a) they are probably opening
up security holes into their<BR>> network, and<BR>>> (b) they may
impede a later smooth rollout of native v6.<BR>>> />> Whether
users dual-stack or tunnel to IPv6 the security requirements<BR>>> are
mostly the same. Waiting for end-to-end dual-stack to be deployed<BR>>>
all the way to the home CPE to complete is a multi year project. And
I<BR>>> don't see IPv6-in-IPv4 tunnels impeding rollout of native IPv6
if the<BR>>> tunnels clients AND servers are fully under control of the
ISP and part<BR>>> of their network. The rule here is for ISPs to avoid
using Teredo, 6to4<BR>>> and ISATAP tunnels which, unfortunately, are
everywhere./<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>>>
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