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</v:group><![endif]--><![if !vml]><span style='mso-ignore:vglayout;position:absolute;z-index:251662336;margin-left:5px;margin-top:2px;width:606px;height:145px'><map name=MicrosoftOfficeMap0><area shape=Rect coords="465, 85, 596, 107" href="mail:kais@sahara.com" target="_blank"><area shape=Rect coords="94, 106, 606, 145" href="http://www.sahara.com/" target="_blank"><area shape=Rect coords="0, 15, 70, 118" href="http://www.sahara.com/" target="_blank"><area shape=Rect coords="76, 0, 91, 130" href="http://www.sahara.com/" target="_blank"></map><img border=0 width=606 height=145 src="cid:image001.png@01CC9228.98F65790" usemap="#MicrosoftOfficeMap0" v:shapes="_x0000_s1026 _x0000_s1030 _x0000_s1029 _x0000_s1028 _x0000_s1027"></span><![endif]><img id="_x0000_i1026" src="cid:image002.gif@01CC9228.98F65790"><o:p></o:p></p><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><hr size=2 width="100%" align=center></div><div align=right><table class=MsoNormalTable dir=rtl border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0><tr><td width=302 valign=top style='width:226.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 0in;color:grey'><p class=MsoNormal dir=RTL style='text-align:justify;direction:rtl;unicode-bidi:embed'><b><span lang=AR-SA style='font-size:6.0pt'>إن هذا البريد الإلكتروني المرسل من قبل صحارى نت يحتوي على محتويات سرية مرسلة إلى جهة/ متلقٍ مقصود. إذا لم تكن أنت المتلقي المقصود، فإن هذا البريد الإلكتروني قد وصلك عن طريق الخطأ، لذا فإنه يمنع منعا باتا أي استخدام أو إعادة إرسال أو نشر أو طباعة أونسخ كل أو جزء من هذا البريد الإلكتروني بأي شكل من الأشكال. وفي حالة تلقيكم هذا البريد الإلكتروني عن طريق الخطأ، فإننا نرجو التكرم بالرد على المرسل وإخطاره بهذا الخطأ، ومن ثم الإسراع بحذف هذا البريد الإلكتروني من الأجهزة والأنظمة الخاصة بكم. وعلى الرغم من أن هذا البريد الإلكتروني تم فحصه وتمحيصه بحثا عن الفيروسات، إلا أن صحارى نت لا تتحمل أي مسؤولية عن أية فيروسات قد تصيب أجهزتكم وأنظمتكم، بل إن التأكد من حماية أجهزتكم وأنظمتكم هو محض مسؤوليتكم.</span></b><b><span dir=LTR style='font-size:6.0pt'><o:p></o:p></span></b></p></td><td width=18 valign=top style='width:13.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 0in'></td><td width=297 valign=top style='width:222.75pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 0in;color:grey'><p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR style='text-align:justify'><b><span style='font-size:6.0pt'>This is an email from Sahara Net. Its contents are confidential to the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this e-mail in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. It may not be disclosed to or used by anyone other than its intended recipient, nor may it be copied in any way. If received in error please email a reply to the sender, then delete it from your system. Although this e-mail has been scanned for viruses, Sahara Net cannot accept any responsibility for viruses and it is your responsibility to scan any attachments.<o:p></o:p></span></b></p></td></tr></table></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><br>On 10/23/2011 7:51 PM, Samira Salbi wrote: <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>Pls exclude us from your mailing list.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>I guess this is the ultimate objective of these people: weakening menog and make it irrelevant, it happens when lots of people begin to opt out.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><hr size=2 width="100%" align=center></div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> gh.alkayyem@sawaisp.sy [mailto:gh.alkayyem@sawaisp.sy] <br><b>Sent:</b> 23 October 2011 13:02<br><b>To:</b> Mohammad Wassef<br><b>Cc:</b> 'Samira Salbi'; 'Ahmed Abu-Abed'; 'Richard Barnes'; 'Keegan Holley'; menog@menog.net<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [menog] SaudiTelecom</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Yes,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>this would be a very good idea since unsubscribe facilities doesn't work.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Dear all</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Would you please exclude us from your mailing list</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><strong><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Regards</span></strong><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><strong><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Mohammad Wassef</span></strong><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Sr.Core Network Engineer</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:8.0pt'>CYBERIA</span><sup><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:red'>® </span></sup><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>SAUDI ARABIA</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><strong><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></strong><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> menog-bounces@menog.net [mailto:menog-bounces@menog.net] <strong><span style='font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>On Behalf Of </span></strong>Samira Salbi<br><strong><span style='font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Sent:</span></strong> Saturday, October 22, 2011 2:56 PM<br><strong><span style='font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>To:</span></strong> 'Ahmed Abu-Abed'; 'Richard Barnes'; 'Keegan Holley'; menog@menog.net<br><strong><span style='font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Subject:</span></strong> Re: [menog] SaudiTelecom</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>This is not good enough. Who are these people and how did they have access to menog mailing list?</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>We must be told.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>Samira Salbi</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><hr size=2 width="100%" align=center></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><strong><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></strong><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> menog-bounces@menog.net [mailto:menog-bounces@menog.net] <strong><span style='font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>On Behalf Of </span></strong>Ahmed Abu-Abed<br><strong><span style='font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Sent:</span></strong> 22 October 2011 12:39<br><strong><span style='font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>To:</span></strong> Richard Barnes; Keegan Holley; menog@menog.net<br><strong><span style='font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Subject:</span></strong> Re: [menog] SaudiTelecom</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>"Someone with the ever illusive clue" ... do you really think this approach helps in getting any cooperation from a tier-1 national operator ?</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>-Ahmed</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:whitesmoke'><strong><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></strong><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:richard.barnes@gmail.com" target="_blank" title="This external link will open in a new window">Richard Barnes</a> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:whitesmoke'><strong><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Sent:</span></strong><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Friday, October 21, 2011 11:28 PM</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:whitesmoke'><strong><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>To:</span></strong><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:keegan.holley@sungard.com" target="_blank" title="This external link will open in a new window">Keegan Holley</a> ; <a href="mailto:menog@menog.net" target="_blank" title="This external link will open in a new window">menog@menog.net</a> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:whitesmoke'><strong><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Subject:</span></strong><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Re: [menog] SaudiTelecom</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><p>Forwarding to MENOG...<o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>On Oct 21, 2011 4:01 PM, "Keegan Holley" <a href="mailto:keegan.holley@sungard.com">keegan.holley@sungard.com</a>> wrote:<br><br>Despite this being a north american list anyone know how I can speak with<br>someone from saudi telecom. 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