<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><div>UNESCO and EURID do publish an annual report on the use of IDNs worldwide; it got useful statistics including for Arabic IDNs. The 2013 edition was published and discussed at the IGF meeting last week. It can be downloaded here: <a href="http://www.eurid.eu/en/about-us/publications/insights-research-reports">http://www.eurid.eu/en/about-us/publications/insights-research-reports</a>. </div><div><br></div><div>Best</div><div>Baher</div><div><br></div><span id="OLK_SRC_BODY_SECTION"><div style="font-family:Calibri; font-size:11pt; text-align:left; color:black; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: #b5c4df 1pt solid; BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-TOP: 3pt"><span style="font-weight:bold">From: </span> Ahmed Abu-Abed <<a href="mailto:ahmed@tamkien.com">ahmed@tamkien.com</a>><br><span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span> Monday, October 28, 2013 6:54 AM<br><span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span> Fahd Batayneh <<a href="mailto:fahd.batayneh@icann.org">fahd.batayneh@icann.org</a>><br><span style="font-weight:bold">Cc: </span> "menog@menog. net" <<a href="mailto:menog@menog.net">menog@menog.net</a>><br><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject: </span> Re: [menog] New Arabic TLD and idea's popularity<br></div><div><br></div><div xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40" xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:m="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/2004/12/omml"><meta content="text/html; charset=utf-8" http-equiv="Content-Type"><meta name="Generator" content="Microsoft Word 14 (filtered medium)"><style><!--
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--></style><div lang="EN-US" dir="ltr" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div dir="ltr"><div style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri'; COLOR: #000000"><div>I agree, the term “www” may seem redundant at first look, but it certainly
indicates what is coming next is a web site. In other words, it is like a “Mr.”
or “Dr.” title that give you a rough idea of the person you are referring to.
</div><div>Should we have an Arabic “www” equivalent to grab peoples attention to
Arabic IDN ? Something like نت (translated into “net”) so instead of
عمان.الاردن the website owner should promote نت.عمان.الاردن
</div><div style="FONT-SIZE: small; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri'; FONT-WEIGHT: normal; COLOR: #000000; FONT-STYLE: normal; TEXT-DECORATION: none; DISPLAY: inline"><div style="FONT: 10pt tahoma"><div><font size="3" face="Calibri"></font> </div><div><font size="3" face="Calibri">This will likely get more attention to Arabic
IDNs.</font></div><div><font size="3" face="Calibri"></font> </div><div><font size="3" face="Calibri">My 0.02 Dinar thoughts ...</font></div><div><font size="3" face="Calibri"></font> </div><div><font size="3" face="Calibri">-Ahmed</font></div><div><font size="3" face="Calibri"></font> </div><div><font size="3" face="Calibri"></font> </div><div style="BACKGROUND: #f5f5f5"><div style="font-color: black"><b>From:</b> <a title="fahd.batayneh@icann.org" href="mailto:fahd.batayneh@icann.org">Fahd Batayneh</a> </div><div><b>Sent:</b> Monday, October 28, 2013 12:23 AM</div><div><b>To:</b> <a title="ahmed@tamkien.com" href="mailto:ahmed@tamkien.com">Ahmed
Abu-Abed</a> </div><div><b>Cc:</b> <a title="menog@menog.net" href="mailto:menog@menog.net">mailto:menog@menog.net</a> </div><div><b>Subject:</b> RE: [menog] New Arabic TLD and idea's
popularity</div></div></div><div> </div></div><div style="FONT-SIZE: small; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri'; FONT-WEIGHT: normal; COLOR: #000000; FONT-STYLE: normal; TEXT-DECORATION: none; DISPLAY: inline"><div class="WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal" style="TEXT-ALIGN: justify"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">I
have actually seen Arabic URLs posted in public areas in the UAE, yet it is not
gaining the marketing advantages it seeks.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="TEXT-ALIGN: justify"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p></o:p></span> </p><p class="MsoNormal" style="TEXT-ALIGN: justify"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">There
have been discussions within New gTLD applicants on whether to encourage New
gTLD registrants (once these new gTLDs are delegated and are generally
available) to advertise their online presence using “www” in front of the URL or
not; i.e. <a href="http://www.menog.anything">www.menog.anything</a> vs.
</span><span class="MsoHyperlink"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">menog.anything</span></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">.
For those who might not know, the inventor of the term “www” in front of URLs
has admitted that such an addition was a mistake in the first place. Yet, after
thorough discussions, those involved have concluded that in order for people to
understand what </span><span class="MsoHyperlink"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">menog.anything</span></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">
is, it is best that “www” is added in front of the URL for advertising purposes.
I believe this to be the case for IDNs we well; i.e. some just don’t understand
what </span><span lang="AR-JO" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); " dir="rtl">مثال.اختبار</span><span dir="ltr"></span><span dir="ltr"></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><span dir="ltr"></span><span dir="ltr"></span> is.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="TEXT-ALIGN: justify"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p></o:p></span> </p><p class="MsoNormal" style="TEXT-ALIGN: justify"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">My
2 cents.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="TEXT-ALIGN: justify"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p></o:p></span> </p><p class="MsoNormal" style="TEXT-ALIGN: justify"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Fahd<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p></o:p></span> </p><div><div style="BORDER-TOP: #b5c4df 1pt solid; BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; PADDING-TOP: 3pt; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; ">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; ">
<a href="mailto:menog-bounces@lists.menog.org">menog-bounces@lists.menog.org</a> [<a href="mailto:menog-bounces@lists.menog.org">mailto:menog-bounces@lists.menog.org</a>] <b>On
Behalf Of </b>Ahmed Abu-Abed<br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, October 27, 2013 9:51
PM<br><b>To:</b> Tom Paseka<br><b>Cc:</b> menog@menog. net<br><b>Subject:</b>
Re: [menog] New Arabic TLD and idea's
popularity<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p></o:p> </p><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black; ">Hi
Tom,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black; "> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black; ">Country code TLDs have
been available since 2010 for 4 Arab countries at least. Unfortunately its not
on most peoples priority list for implementing, and I have not noticed any
advertising for an Arabic URL over the past couple of years (I live in the MENOG
region).<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black; "> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black; ">As for CloudFlares
IDNs, it would be good to filter out which are using the Arabic alphabet and
know how many Arabic IDNs are actually out there. That would require a good
understanding of Punycode used to translate an IDN into Latin
characters.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black; "> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black; ">Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black; ">-Ahmed<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black; "> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; color: black; "> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; color: black; ">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; color: black; "> <a title="tom+menog@cloudflare.com" href="mailto:tom+menog@cloudflare.com">Tom
Paseka</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; color: black; ">Sent:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; color: black; ">
Sunday, October 27, 2013 7:20 PM<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; color: black; ">To:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; color: black; "> <a title="ahmed@tamkien.com" href="mailto:ahmed@tamkien.com">Ahmed Abu-Abed</a>
<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; color: black; ">Cc:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; color: black; "> <a title="menog@menog.net" href="mailto:menog@menog.net">mailto:menog@menog.net</a>
<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; color: black; ">Subject:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; color: black; "> Re:
[menog] New Arabic TLD and idea's
popularity<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black; "> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black; ">Hi Ahmed,
<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black; "> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black; ">I've had a look
through CloudFlare's customers and we see thousands of IDN's, but this is
nothing compared to what exists in pre-existing romanized domains.
<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black; "> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black; ">For a pre-existing
company to move to a IDN, or any new domain in general, they have to revamp
their presence, re-market to everyone to make sure they visit the correct
address. I assume this isn't an easy task. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black; "> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black; ">I suspect you'll see
new starters coming out from the get-go with an IDN, but it'll take a while for
the existing content to start adoption.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black; "> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black; ">Cheers,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black; ">Tom<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black; "><o:p></o:p></span> </p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black; ">On Sun, Oct 27, 2013
at 1:54 AM, Ahmed Abu-Abed <<a href="mailto:ahmed@tamkien.com" target="_blank">ahmed@tamkien.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black; ">ICANN is in the news
with the new </span><span lang="AR-SA" style="COLOR: black" dir="rtl">شبكة</span><span dir="ltr"></span><span dir="ltr"></span><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black; "><span dir="ltr"></span><span dir="ltr"></span> TLD, see <a title="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-24637673" href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-24637673" target="_blank">http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-24637673</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black; "> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black; ">I am yet to see Arabic
TLDs widely implemented, although most browsers are ready, even on iOS and
Android which I tested with an Arabic URL. Any idea on why is the delay in
implementing Arabic URL by content providers (newspapers, etc.) ? People in the
region prefer Arabic websites, so I am wondering what’s stopping content
providers from having Arabic URLs.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black; "> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black; ">Also, anyone know if
major portals, like Google or Yahoo, have implemented IDNs in any language for
their URL ? Something like </span><span lang="AR-SA" style="COLOR: black" dir="rtl">ياهو.شبكة</span><span dir="ltr"></span><span dir="ltr"></span><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black; "><span dir="ltr"></span><span dir="ltr"></span> (which translates to Yahoo.net , as I
cannot find an equivalent to .com as an Arabic TLD).<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black; "> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black; ">Best
Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black; ">Ahmed
Abu-Abed<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black; "> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black; "><br>_______________________________________________<br>Menog
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