<div dir="ltr">Hi Ahmed,<div> I agree it won't go away and is less than before - but on your second point, remembering a site URL, I would suggest, is not easier than searching for the company or service name in a browser search bar or clicking on the iTunes app.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Russia and Korea aren't really comparable - they are two highly developed independent markets in terms of technology, resources and experience in the Internet field, with very advanced software produced domestically. In Russia, sites such as Yandex (Яндекс.рф) and <a href="http://mail.ru">mail.ru</a> dominate the user base and a typical user with their Russian keyboard, Russian operating system, Russian browser using their domestically produced search engine (Яндекс.рф) which produces a list of locally hosted sites and services developed specifically for the Russian market (as opposed to <a href="http://google.com">google.com</a>, <a href="http://facebook.com">facebook.com</a>, <a href="http://microsoft.com">microsoft.com</a> which are English made to fit into Arabic with few developers in region). </div>
<div><br></div><div>I don't think these will be comparable until such time as there is an Arabic technological centre - producing software engineers, advanced software and hardware integration. And the opposite is currently true; 90%+ of Arabic websites are hosted outside the region, mostly in the US; compared to nearly all (I can't find a percent) Russian websites are hosted within Russia fully on Russian infrastructure.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Another sample data point - Arabic is the 5th most spoken language (280m native speakers), Russian is the 8th (160m native speakers) yet Russian is the 2nd most common language on the web.</div><div><br>
</div><div><br></div><div>I think is part of a wider interesting topic, perhaps one for future debates at MENOG meetings. This is that in spite of the population and wealth of the Arabic region, the region has typically not invested in local innovation or initiatives or where it has it has tended to throw money at pet projects but the benefits of these are generally felt most by the foreign partners, works or few rich financiers who back the projects. More Arabic IDNs, more local centres of skill, more cooperation between nations who currently compete to produce 5 average results instead of 1 global leader, more initiatives for local web hosting and software production that can compete on skill and price with Hyderabad, Seoul, Silicon Valley etc would go a long way.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Kind regards<br>Steve</div><div><br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 29 October 2013 05:12, Ahmed Abu-Abed <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ahmed@tamkien.com" target="_blank">ahmed@tamkien.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">
<div style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri">
<div>Typing in URLs is less than before, but it won’t go away. And its much
easier to remember a sites name in one’s native language and script. </div>
<div> </div>
<div>That’s why we are looking for ways to increase Arabic IDN adoption, while
Russian and Korean IDN have been very successful commercially and in consumer
uptake (see the reports Baher Esmat sent yesterday).</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Regards</div>
<div>-Ahmed</div>
<div> </div>
<div style="font-style:normal;font-size:small;display:inline;text-decoration:none;font-family:Calibri;font-weight:normal">
<div style="font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;font-size:10pt;line-height:normal;font-family:tahoma">
<div> </div>
<div style="background-color:rgb(245,245,245)">
<div><b>From:</b> <a title="steve.wilcox@ixreach.com" href="mailto:steve.wilcox@ixreach.com" target="_blank">Stephen Wilcox</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Monday, October 28, 2013 7:25 PM</div><div><div class="h5">
<div><b>To:</b> <a title="ahmed@tamkien.com" href="mailto:ahmed@tamkien.com" target="_blank">Ahmed
Abu-Abed</a> </div>
<div><b>Cc:</b> <a title="Timothy@tra.gov.om" href="mailto:Timothy@tra.gov.om" target="_blank">Timothy Roy</a> ; <a title="menog@menog.net" href="mailto:menog@menog.net" target="_blank">mailto:menog@menog.net</a> </div>
<div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [menog] New Arabic TLD and idea's
popularity</div></div></div></div></div>
<div> </div></div><div><div class="h5">
<div style="font-style:normal;font-size:small;display:inline;text-decoration:none;font-family:Calibri;font-weight:normal">
<div dir="ltr">I mean there is less interest and value since navigation on the
Internet has moved away from typing URLs into browsers.. app based devices and
better search engines along with integration with browsers means most users are
not remembering and typing URLs and instead using more seamless methods to
navigate.
<div> </div>
<div>Similarly with the "www" point which is also true with "http://" - many
years ago this was necessary as a lot of services other than www co-existing on
the Internet and there was confusion with users, every day terminology and the
expectation of the technology. Nowadays, if you type "apple" into your browser
you will find your way immediately to Apple without needing the http, www or the
.com ... in fact, if you use an iPad or iTunes you dont even need to know the
URLs, its all built into the apps which are preloaded into the device.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>eg enter "خليج" into your browser.. my first hit is "خليج - ويكيبيديا،
الموسوعة الحرة" and my second is "خليج سيهات" etc ... but the websites are "<a href="http://ar.wikipedia.org/wiki/" target="_blank">http://ar.wikipedia.org/wiki/</a>خليج" and
"<a href="http://www.khaleejsaihat.com/" target="_blank">http://www.khaleejsaihat.com/</a>" -
both non-IDN, but if I only spoke arabic and didn't even understand the latin
alphabet it wouldn't matter since the URL isn't important for me.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>I'm not saying there shouldn't be IDNs or that having your company's name
in arabic isn't important, just that users are not as focussed on the domain
name any more therefore adoption is slower since priority is going elsewhere ie
in content and apps.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Steve<br>
<div class="gmail_extra"> </div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br><br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On 28 October 2013 16:12, Ahmed Abu-Abed <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ahmed@tamkien.com" target="_blank">ahmed@tamkien.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">
<div dir="ltr">
<div style="font-size:12pt;font-family:calibri">
<div>Please elaborate on what is 10 years too late, do you mean IDN is late
?</div>
<div> </div>
<div>-Ahmed</div>
<div> </div>
<div style="font-size:small;font-family:calibri;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none;display:inline">
<div style="font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;font-size:10pt;line-height:normal;font-family:tahoma">
<div> </div>
<div style="background-color:rgb(245,245,245)">
<div><b>From:</b> <a title="steve.wilcox@ixreach.com" href="mailto:steve.wilcox@ixreach.com" target="_blank">Stephen Wilcox</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Monday, October 28, 2013 2:53 PM</div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a title="ahmed@tamkien.com" href="mailto:ahmed@tamkien.com" target="_blank">Ahmed Abu-Abed</a> </div>
<div><b>Cc:</b> <a title="Timothy@tra.gov.om" href="mailto:Timothy@tra.gov.om" target="_blank">Timothy Roy</a> ; <a title="menog@menog.net" href="mailto:menog@menog.net" target="_blank">mailto:menog@menog.net</a> </div>
<div>
<div>
<div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [menog] New Arabic TLD and idea's
popularity</div></div></div></div></div>
<div> </div></div>
<div>
<div>
<div style="font-size:small;font-family:calibri;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none;display:inline">
<div dir="ltr">
<div> </div>
<div>Not wishing to sound skeptical, but isnt this all coming about 10 years
too late and thats the reason for the lack of adoption?</div>
<div> </div>
<div>The device of choice is a smartphone or tablet, these are app and icon
based.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Being old fashioned I still use a computer but mostly find things, even
common websites by inputting the common name into a search bar (or browser bar
- Chrome doesnt distinguish) and the result is a clickable list of search
results, which will be in the local script and language. </div>
<div> </div>
<div>eg the average user never inputs urls anyway, but when they do they
likely input arabic text directly to the browser for a search term and get a
list of website titles and then click them. they dont pay attention to the
underlying URL that much any more</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Compare to this address books on mobile phones. In the 90s I could tell
you anyone's phone number from memory, now I know maybe my own and my Mums and
thats about it..</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Steve</div>
<div> </div>
<div> </div>
<div> </div></div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br><br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On 28 October 2013 08:38, Ahmed Abu-Abed <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ahmed@tamkien.com" target="_blank">ahmed@tamkien.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div>The Arabic version of "net" would come at the beginning of the domain
name, as we don't have an equivalent of "www". Thus in Oman's case it would
still end in .oman in Arabic.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>IMO, as techies we may not be the best ones to judge which is better,
ie. to keep an equivalent of www or drop it. The domain name's marketing
staff should decide on this, with the aim of gaining more interest to their
website if promoting an Arabic IDN. Registrar's may provide both options to
their customers to encourage Arabic IDN adoption.<br><br>
<div><span>Regards,</span></div>
<div>-Ahmed</div>
<div> </div></div>
<div>
<div>
<div><br>On 2013-10-28, at 8:05 AM, Timothy Roy <<a href="mailto:Timothy@tra.gov.om" target="_blank">Timothy@tra.gov.om</a>>
wrote:<br><br></div>
<div></div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">I
believe that the Arabic version of net would cause more confusion. I think
that keeping simpler is better. I know that here in Oman we have been
pushing and promoting the .oman(Arabic) IDN quite extensively.
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u><u></u></span> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">I
also believe that for an organization to actually have the Arabic content
and URL they need to access their market. If they want to reach or promote
their business to the MENOG regions (or regions of their specific country)
that have a lesser comprehension of English language then they should go
for it. As a registry we are trying to promote it but it is mainly
up to the Registrars to promote it to obtain more business in this field
of domain names.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u><u></u></span> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">My
quick observations.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u><u></u></span> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Best
Regards<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u><u></u></span> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:'Book Antiqua',serif;color:rgb(68,46,84)">Timothy
Roy<u></u><u></u></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:'Book Antiqua',serif;color:rgb(68,46,84)">Regulatory
and Compliance Unit<u></u><u></u></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:'Book Antiqua',serif;color:rgb(68,46,84)">Domain
Name Operations<u></u><u></u></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:'Book Antiqua',serif;color:rgb(68,46,84)">Telecommunications
Regulatory Authority.</span></b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:'Book Antiqua',serif;color:rgb(68,46,84)"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:'Book Antiqua',serif;color:rgb(23,54,93)">Tel: <a href="tel:%2B968%2024574858" value="+96824574858" target="_blank">+968
24574858</a><u></u><u></u></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:'Book Antiqua',serif;color:rgb(23,54,93)">Mobile: <a href="tel:%2B968%2093551117" value="+96893551117" target="_blank">+968
93551117</a><u></u><u></u></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:'Book Antiqua',serif;color:rgb(23,54,93)">Email:
</span></b><b><span style="font-family:'Book Antiqua',serif;color:rgb(23,54,93)"><a href="mailto:timothy@tra.gov.om" target="_blank"><span style="color:rgb(23,54,93)">timothy@tra.gov.om</span></a></span></b><b><span style="font-family:'Book Antiqua',serif;color:rgb(23,54,93)"><u></u><u></u></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:garamond,serif;color:rgb(15,36,62)">Office
hours: Sunday – Thursday, 7:30am – 3:00pm (Muscat GMT +4)</span><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:'Script MT Bold';color:rgb(15,36,62)"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u><u></u></span> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u><u></u></span> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u><u></u></span> </p>
<div>
<div style="border-top-color:rgb(181,196,223);border-width:1pt medium medium;border-style:solid none none;padding:3pt 0cm 0cm">
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:tahoma,sans-serif"> <a href="mailto:menog-bounces@lists.menog.org" target="_blank">menog-bounces@lists.menog.org</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:menog-bounces@lists.menog.org" target="_blank">menog-bounces@lists.menog.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Ahmed
Abu-Abed<br><b>Sent:</b> 28 October 2013 08:55<br><b>To:</b> Fahd
Batayneh<br><b>Cc:</b> menog@menog. net<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [menog] New
Arabic TLD and idea's popularity<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u><u></u> </p>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:calibri,sans-serif">I agree,
the term “www” may seem redundant at first look, but it certainly
indicates what is coming next is a web site. In other words, it is like a
“Mr.” or “Dr.” title that give you a rough idea of the person you are
referring to. <u></u><u></u></span></p></div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:calibri,sans-serif">Should we
have an Arabic “www” equivalent to grab peoples attention to Arabic IDN ?
Something like </span><span lang="AR-SA" dir="rtl">نت</span><span dir="ltr"></span><span dir="ltr"></span><span style="font-family:calibri,sans-serif"><span dir="ltr"></span><span dir="ltr"></span> (translated into “net”) so instead of </span><span lang="AR-SA" dir="rtl">عمان.الاردن</span><span dir="ltr"></span><span dir="ltr"></span><span style="font-family:calibri,sans-serif"><span dir="ltr"></span><span dir="ltr"></span> the website owner should
promote </span><span lang="AR-SA" dir="rtl">نت.عمان..الاردن</span><span dir="ltr"></span><span dir="ltr"></span><span lang="AR-SA" style="font-family:calibri,sans-serif"><span dir="ltr"></span><span dir="ltr"></span> </span><span style="font-family:calibri,sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:tahoma,sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span> </p></div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:calibri,sans-serif">This will
likely get more attention to Arabic IDNs.</span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:tahoma,sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:tahoma,sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span> </p></div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:calibri,sans-serif">My 0.02
Dinar thoughts ...</span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:tahoma,sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:tahoma,sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span> </p></div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:calibri,sans-serif">-Ahmed</span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:tahoma,sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:tahoma,sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span> </p></div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:tahoma,sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span> </p></div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background-color:rgb(245,245,245)"><b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:tahoma,sans-serif"> <a title="fahd.batayneh@icann.org" href="mailto:fahd.batayneh@icann.org" target="_blank">Fahd Batayneh</a> <u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background-color:rgb(245,245,245)"><b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">Sent:</span></b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:tahoma,sans-serif"> Monday, October
28, 2013 12:23 AM<u></u><u></u></span></p></div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background-color:rgb(245,245,245)"><b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">To:</span></b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:tahoma,sans-serif"> <a title="ahmed@tamkien.com" href="mailto:ahmed@tamkien..com" target="_blank">Ahmed Abu-Abed</a> <u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background-color:rgb(245,245,245)"><b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">Cc:</span></b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:tahoma,sans-serif"> <a title="menog@menog.net" href="mailto:menog@menog.net" target="_blank">mailto:menog@menog.net</a> <u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background-color:rgb(245,245,245)"><b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">Subject:</span></b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:tahoma,sans-serif"> RE: [menog] New
Arabic TLD and idea's
popularity<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div></div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:calibri,sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span> </p></div></div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">I
have actually seen Arabic URLs posted in public areas in the UAE, yet it
is not gaining the marketing advantages it seeks.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify"><span></span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u><u></u></span> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">There
have been discussions within New gTLD applicants on whether to encourage
New gTLD registrants (once these new gTLDs are delegated and are generally
available) to advertise their online presence using “www” in front of the
URL or not; i.e. <a href="http://www.menog.anything" target="_blank">www.menog.anything</a> vs. </span><span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif">menog.anything</span></span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">.
For those who might not know, the inventor of the term “www” in front of
URLs has admitted that such an addition was a mistake in the first place.
Yet, after thorough discussions, those involved have concluded that in
order for people to understand what </span><span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif">menog.anything</span></span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">
is, it is best that “www” is added in front of the URL for advertising
purposes. I believe this to be the case for IDNs we well; i.e. some just
don’t understand what </span><span lang="AR-JO" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)" dir="rtl">مثال.اختبار</span><span dir="ltr"></span><span dir="ltr"></span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><span dir="ltr"></span><span dir="ltr"></span> is.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify"><span></span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u><u></u></span> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">My
2 cents.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify"><span></span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u><u></u></span> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Fahd<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span></span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u><u></u></span> </p>
<div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:tahoma,sans-serif"> <a href="mailto:menog-bounces@lists.menog.org" target="_blank">menog-bounces@lists.menog.org</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:menog-bounces@lists.menog.org" target="_blank">menog-bounces@lists.menog.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Ahmed
Abu-Abed<br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, October 27, 2013 9:51 PM<br><b>To:</b>
Tom Paseka<br><b>Cc:</b> menog@menog. net<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [menog]
New Arabic TLD and idea's popularity<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:calibri,sans-serif">Hi
Tom,<u></u><u></u></span></p></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:calibri,sans-serif">Country
code TLDs have been available since 2010 for 4 Arab countries at least.
Unfortunately its not on most peoples priority list for implementing, and
I have not noticed any advertising for an Arabic URL over the past couple
of years (I live in the MENOG region).<u></u><u></u></span></p></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:calibri,sans-serif">As for
CloudFlares IDNs, it would be good to filter out which are using the
Arabic alphabet and know how many Arabic IDNs are actually out there. That
would require a good understanding of Punycode used to translate an IDN
into Latin characters.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:calibri,sans-serif">Regards,<u></u><u></u></span></p></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background-color:rgb(245,245,245)"><b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:tahoma,sans-serif"> <a title="tom+menog@cloudflare.com" href="mailto:tom+menog@cloudflare.com" target="_blank">Tom Paseka</a> <u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background-color:rgb(245,245,245)"><b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">Sent:</span></b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:tahoma,sans-serif"> Sunday, October
27, 2013 7:20 PM<u></u><u></u></span></p></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background-color:rgb(245,245,245)"><b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">To:</span></b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:tahoma,sans-serif"> <a title="ahmed@tamkien.com" href="mailto:ahmed@tamkien.com" target="_blank">Ahmed Abu-Abed</a> <u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background-color:rgb(245,245,245)"><b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">Cc:</span></b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:tahoma,sans-serif"> <a title="menog@menog.net" href="mailto:menog@menog.net" target="_blank">mailto:menog@menog.net</a> <u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background-color:rgb(245,245,245)"><b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">Subject:</span></b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:tahoma,sans-serif"> Re: [menog] New
Arabic TLD and idea's
popularity<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:calibri,sans-serif">Hi Ahmed,
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:calibri,sans-serif">I've had
a look through CloudFlare's customers and we see thousands of IDN's, but
this is nothing compared to what exists in pre-existing romanized domains.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:calibri,sans-serif">For a
pre-existing company to move to a IDN, or any new domain in general, they
have to revamp their presence, re-market to everyone to make sure they
visit the correct address. I assume this isn't an easy task.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:calibri,sans-serif">I suspect
you'll see new starters coming out from the get-go with an IDN, but it'll
take a while for the existing content to start
adoption.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:calibri,sans-serif">Cheers,<u></u><u></u></span></p></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:calibri,sans-serif">Tom<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:calibri,sans-serif">On Sun,
Oct 27, 2013 at 1:54 AM, Ahmed Abu-Abed <<a href="mailto:ahmed@tamkien.com" target="_blank">ahmed@tamkien.com</a>>
wrote:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:calibri,sans-serif">ICANN is
in the news with the new </span><span lang="AR-SA" dir="rtl">شبكة</span><span dir="ltr"></span><span dir="ltr"></span><span style="font-family:calibri,sans-serif"><span dir="ltr"></span><span dir="ltr"></span> TLD, see <a title="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-24637673" href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-24637673" target="_blank">http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-24637673</a><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:calibri,sans-serif">I am yet
to see Arabic TLDs widely implemented, although most browsers are ready,
even on iOS and Android which I tested with an Arabic URL. Any idea on why
is the delay in implementing Arabic URL by content providers (newspapers,
etc.) ? People in the region prefer Arabic websites, so I am wondering
what’s stopping content providers from having Arabic
URLs.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:calibri,sans-serif">Also,
anyone know if major portals, like Google or Yahoo, have implemented IDNs
in any language for their URL ? Something like </span><span lang="AR-SA" dir="rtl">ياهو.شبكة</span><span dir="ltr"></span><span dir="ltr"></span><span style="font-family:calibri,sans-serif"><span dir="ltr"></span><span dir="ltr"></span> (which translates to <a href="http://Yahoo.net" target="_blank">Yahoo.net</a> , as I cannot find an equivalent to .com as an
Arabic TLD).<u></u><u></u></span></p></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:calibri,sans-serif">Best
Regards,<u></u><u></u></span></p></div>
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Abu-Abed<u></u><u></u></span></p></div>
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