[menog] RE: [ncc-regional-middle-east] Peering

Osama Dosary (dosary) dosary at cisco.com
Tue Aug 7 17:46:56 GMT 2007

I really like how Bill put it. Now to put things into perspective with regards to the Saudi market:
- Only the big guys (STC, Bayanat, and ITC) are allowed to peer internationally because of content filtering role they also perform
- the little guys (who need to peer most) can only do so within Saudi, are mostly satisfied by the current peering point
So no near change likely to happen for Saudi.
(Are my slides still on the menog site? If they are thye help with Saudi picture.)

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 -----Original Message-----
From: 	Bill Woodcock [mailto:woody at pch.net]
Sent:	Monday, August 06, 2007 06:58 PM W. Europe Standard Time
To:	Baher Esmat
Cc:	menog at menog.net; 'Salman Al-Mannai'; 'Kais Al-Essa'
Subject:	RE: [menog] RE: [ncc-regional-middle-east] Peering

      On Mon, 6 Aug 2007, Baher Esmat wrote:
    > I must also say that I was a little bit puzzled with parts of the discussion
    > as it appeared to me that we're not differentiating between the Incumbents
    > like STC, Batelco, ect., (those incumbents are also ISPs) and other smaller
    > ISPs. My understanding is that the Incumbents whether they have bilateral
    > peeing among themselves or peer via IXPs, they remain the big guys who own
    > the customers as well as most of the traffic. The small ISPs on the other
    > hand have to have their own IXP setups and hence be in better positions to
    > negotiate better deals with Incumbents, or with upstream providers if ISPs
    > are allowed to connect directly to them.

Another way of putting it is to say that everyone needs to peer, in order 
to grow.  The big guys know this (they couldn't have gotten big if they 
didn't), and will always peer, whether internationally (in London or 
Amsterdam or Hong Kong or elsewhere), or across private bilateral sessions 
between each other.

It's the little guys who need the IXPs, in order to be able to efficiently 
compete with that, and peer as well.  If the big guys grow, and the little 
guys don't, you've got an increase in the digital divide problem.  If 
everyone grows, the whole market grows, and more new service is available 
to all potential customers at lower, more competitive prices.

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