[menog] [Paper] New IP

[scott weeks]

Top posting as the original is long; it's in full at the bottom.

Some of this makes no sense.  It is a case of asking for everything one 
can think of in the hopes of getting what one originally wants. (Erdogan 
calls it the "dance of the peacock")  That person can then say "I gave 
up all these things just to show I am working with everyone in good 
faith....all I want is "X"".  In this case "X" is the ability to surveil 
everyone at all times.


"/The requirements perceived for these use cases demand bandwidth on the 
order of one terabit per second per-flow, sub-millisecond latency, and 
zero packet loss."

/How will one have sub-millisecond latency and Tbps bandwidth with zero 
packet loss between humans on the moon and earth, for example?  How 
about when we get humans to Mars and beyond?  (DTN is how: 
https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/dtn/documents)  That can't happen due to 
physics, so it seems they want to build a spy network parallel to 'the 
internet'.  Not take over 'the internet'.



"/New IP advances the idea of a strong regulatory binding between an IP 
address and a user"

/This, I believe, is what it is all about.  The "X", above.  Being able 
to surveil everyone and spy on everything they do.



The ultimate non-starter is this: "/it cannot be compatible with the 
existing deployed IPv4- or IPv6-based infrastructure. As such, New IP 
would have to be deployed in parallel with the current Internet 
infrastructure, interconnecting via gateways."
/
Are they thinking they will build the "New IP Network" and attempt to 
force (economic, political, physical or ???) every network in the world 
to attach to the "New IP Network"?  That ain't gonna happen without 
major force of some sort applied to the world's network owners.  So, at 
best they will force a small subset of the world's networks to do that 
and those networks will not be able to communicate with the rest of the 
world's networks who refuse to connect.  Sadly, the users on those 
networks would be left in the dust of history.


scott





On 11/29/20 6:23 AM, Fahd Batayneh wrote:
>
> Friends and Colleagues,
>
> ICANN’s /Office the Chief Technology Officer (OCTO)/ has published a 
> new paper entitled “*New IP*”; which, you can access online here >> 
> https://www.icann.org/octo-017-en.pdf.
>
> /Network 2030 was a focus group (FG) created by the Telecommunication 
> Standardization Sector (ITU-T) Study Group 13 “to carry out a broad 
> analysis for future networks towards 2030 and beyond. In order to 
> formulate a right vision, this FG is expected to identify the gaps and 
> challenges based on the latest networking technologies, and derive 
> fundamental requirements from novel use cases.” The Network 2030 Focus 
> Group concluded in July 2020, envisioning a number of futuristic use 
> cases, ranging from “holographic communications” to “tactile 
> Internet,” “Digital Twins,” and “Industrial IoT.” The requirements 
> perceived for these use cases demand bandwidth on the order of one 
> terabit per second per-flow, sub-millisecond latency, and zero packet 
> loss. These requirements seem unlikely to be ubiquitously realizable 
> in the assumed timeframe of ten years from now./
>
> //
>
> /New IP is driven by Huawei and its subsidiary, Futurewei. New IP’s 
> relationship to Network 2030 is unclear because New IP proponents tend 
> to use the two names interchangeably. At best, New IP can be seen as a 
> set of desired features to implement the use case described in Network 
> 2030. However, there are no publicly available, definitive, and 
> complete descriptions of what New IP is. As such, it can only be seen 
> at best as “work in progress” and cannot be fully analyzed and 
> compared to a standard such as the TCP/IP protocol suite. Hints can be 
> found in Huawei blogs, a Futurewei Internet Draft submitted to the 
> Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF), slides from a guest talk at an 
> Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers (IEEE) conference, 
> and in an ITU-T liaison statement to the IETF. At a high level, New IP 
> architecture introduces variable length addresses; reintroduces 
> circuit-switched-like principles in what is dubbed “better than best 
> effort networking”; suggests an approach to enable packets to embed 
> contracts to be enforced by intermediary network elements in a way 
> that is reminiscent of active networks where packets contain code to 
> be executed by routers and switches; and presents the concept of 
> “ManyNets” where instead of a single network, the Internet would 
> become a patchwork of networks loosely interconnected via gateways. 
> New IP advances the idea of a strong regulatory binding between an IP 
> address and a user. If deployed, such techniques could make pervasive 
> monitoring much easier because it would allow any intermediary element 
> (router, switch, and so on) to have full access to exactly which user 
> is doing what. Similarly, content providers would have access to the 
> identity of every user connecting to them. This could dramatically 
> increase the oversight of published content./
>
> //
>
> /Although New IP can use a new variable length addressing type, IPv4, 
> IPv6, or any combination of the above, it cannot be compatible with 
> the existing deployed IPv4- or IPv6-based infrastructure. As such, New 
> IP would have to be deployed in parallel with the current Internet 
> infrastructure, interconnecting via gateways. Any significant 
> deployment would probably face decades-long timelines./
>
> More papers published by OCTO can be found here >> 
> https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/octo-publications-2019-05-24-en.
>
> Thank you,
>
> *Fahd Batayneh*
>
> ICANN
>
>
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